Thursday, June 24, 2010

Comix Immortals 2morro


I've probably been thinking about these images more than any others lately. By Michael DeForge, from the first issue of his excellent series Lose; bright new work from a bright new voice that bears plenty of examining. I've already said a good bit on Lose, though, and for now I'd like to pick at a more general scab that this sequence brings up for me.

It can be pretty interesting to see comics artists draw other people's characters. Think of everything from Art Spiegelman's Dick Tracyisms to Darwyn Cooke's Spirit reconstructions to, I don't know, Jack Kirby drawing the Demon to look like Hal Foster's Prince Valiant in that one episode where he has a goose-skin stretched over his head. I mention those three for the same reason I spotlight the DeForge panel. They're not just swipes or derivations, like art by the next hack to take over Frank Miller's Batman is -- this kind of "covering" gets good when it openly displays an artist's attempt to work through, or maybe work into, the lineage of their own inspiration. To understand how and why their influences put the lines down where they did. To discover a new mode of creating. To be free of their own individuality. To understand the medium a little better. That's the reason you draw like someone else, why you choose to outline forms in another artist's shorthand. When they're done well (Steranko's Captain America, McCarthy's Spider-Man, DeForge's Lose), comics cover versions display artists forming their own cosmologies out of ink and newsprint. At best, like in the panel above, what you get is a very personal look at the medium's aesthetic history -- the century-plus of circumstances that led to a single artist's formation.

I find it interesting to scrutinize the segments of DNA that DeForge chooses to spread out on the page for us. Here are the mainstays of comics, creations of artists that anybody worth reading has absorbed. Kirby, Gould, Outcault, Herriman, Tezuka, and Steinberg are all here holding it down, just as they do in countless masterpieces. There are also more personal references that point to the specifics of DeForge's comics: shout-outs to Archie, Hanna Barbera animation, Otto Messmer, Floyd Gottfredson, Hagar the Horrible. What I'm really struck by, though, are two inclusions that mark DeForge as a young cartoonist with a solidly modern view into "comics history". Included in this panorama of his jumping-off points as an artist are Gary Panter's Jimbo (way over on the right), and Alan Moore/Steve Bissette/John Totleben's Swamp Thing. These aren't casual throw-ins by any means, they're important references to where DeForge is coming from. A new generation of comics-makers is taking the reins of the medium, and they were largely born after Raw (on the Panter, art comics hand) and Dark Knight and Watchmen (on the Moore, heroey side of things) were already history -- just as much a part of that "past masters" table as the Yellow Kid.

I think the next five to ten years are going to be a pretty interesting time. Just as the guard changed in the '40s for Eisner and Kirby, in the '60s for Crumb and Steranko, and in the '80s for Moore and Panter, it seems to me that we're living in the beginning of another turn of the page. Heaven knows what the current post-Kramers Ergot, post-Grant Morrison generation will have brought to the medium by the time another one steps up to be counted, but maybe we can find some indication of where things are going by looking at some more of the characters that seem likely to reach iconic status over the next chapter of comics' narrative. Whose work is soon to pass from life into history? What characters will tomorrow's stars cut their finer teeth by copying? Anyone's guess; here are a few of mine.

JIMMY CORRIGAN


If anyone on this list is already there, it's this guy. Chris Ware is certainly the defining cartoonist of the 2000s, and his hunched, breeches-wearing sap is the star of his defining book. Jimmy Corrigan is an iconic visual image drawn in an unmistakable style, but his character traits say as much about Ware and his influence as his appearance. Awkward, sensitive, maladroit, antisocial, but painfully earnest and aware of his flaws, Jimmy is shorthand for an entire mini-genre of comics. He'd be immortal on his look or his character -- combine both, and it's all but a certainty that we'll have Corrigan parody/homages by the time the 2020s roll around. Just call him the "new Nancy".

SANDMAN


Another iconic visual, and created by perhaps the most broadly successful writer ever to have worked in comics. Sandman, like Jimmy Corrigan, is the symbol of so much: the post-Watchmen "dark intelligent" approach to hero comics, the '90s in all their commercial unpredictability, and the writing-focused trench Neil Gaiman cut through the mainstream that, like it or not, still runs deep today. Who knows whether Vertigo would exist at all without this guy -- Sandman is an indelible symbol of the kind of comics where the words in the balloons are the most important thing on the page. Moreover, Gaiman's penetration of the larger mainstream culture and his mass-appealing public image, which has so much in common with his character, have put Morpheus in a lot of brains that live outside the comics bubble. Whether or not Gaiman will be a major influence on the next generation of cartooning talent, his most famous creation will always evoke a certain, very popular brand of comics better than any other character.

DEADPOOL


Huh boy, I know. Believe it or not, Rob Liefeld's inscrutable mercenary is popular as hell with the fanboys right now, and doesn't show any sign of cooling off. (You know how many other characters can support multiple titles in this market? Not Wonder Woman. Not Captain America. Not Iron Man.) Like Venom was a certain amount of time ago, Deadpool is a potent symbol of superhero excess and just how much market share it commands, and if I had to pick the next ubiquitous superhero he would be it. Especially if his movie ever gets made.

Fanboy love aside, though, Deadpool reaches iconic status for what he symbolizes in the development of mainstream comics storytelling. The recent boom in high-energy, low-content "kicksplode" hero comics is nothing if not an attempt to revisit the airheaded bestsellers of Liefeld's '90s and try to figure out what made them so compelling to so many people. As proven by the number of books he headlines, Deadpool and his ilk are something that has worked continues to work well in comics, financially if not always creatively. As long as there are nerds reading the stuff, there'll be an immature, self-referential poster boy selling to them. Deadpool's here, and probably here to stay. Give it a decade or two and he'll be as big as the Flash.

Also: this is total speculation, but given that 99% of both the superhero and art sides of the industry treat Liefeld's work like it's got AIDS, I think it's very likely that a bunch of snot-nosed newcomers to comics are going to start affecting his influence at some point in the near future. What repels the old guard will always attract the new wave, and there is a lot to appreciate in Liefeld. As comics artists with fully-formed aesethtics go, he's pretty underutilized as an inspiration, and I wouldn't be surprised to see guys coming out of nowhere with Image-derived styles that get described as "like Liefeld, but good" or something similar. Mark my words, we'll be seeing some Deadpool in more than just the fanboy blogs soon.

ENID (from Ghost World)



This one might share too much common ground with Jimmy Corrigan, but I think Dan Clowes the artist is distinct enough from Ware, the other titan of the graphic novel boom, to command a separate spot in the imagination of tomorrow's artists. There may be a few superficial similarities, and a few more of milieu, but Clowes has a vastly different storytelling style that in a lot of ways has been more influential than Ware's. I wouldn't even be surprised to see "post-Clowes" and "post-Ware" schools of serious-comics makers dividing up the bookstore market soon like post-Moore and post-Miller material currently divides up the hero comics racks. Enid is an eminently recognizable cartoon, and with a cult classic movie featuring one of the best comics-to-screen character transitions of all time on her side. As Jimmy Corrigan already symbolizes a certain type of comic, so too does Enid: the hipstery, defiant, snobbish, somehow lovable character type that's come to rule the "indie culture" finds its closest sequential-art parallel in Ghost World. This is a low blow, but if comics have a Michael Cera, she's it. As Clowes's fame and influence grow, so too will Enid's status as the iconograph that best symbolizes his contributions to comics -- and to a larger spectrum of the culture, as well.

FONE BONE


You know what comic kids right now are reading? Bone. I probably sold more of those colorized Scholastic Bone books to parents and their children during my retail days than I did of everything else combined. Jeff Smith's a part of a massive number of grade-schoolers' minds right now, and some of those kids are going to be making comics in ten years. Just as a generation that had grown up in the Golden Age brought back hero comics in the late '50s/early '60s, so too is Bone going to spread its influence far and wide across the medium a decade or so from now. And it isn't just that a lot of kids read this stuff -- a lot of kids read Naruto, too, but Masashi Kishimoto isn't half the pure cartoonist Smith is. Hell, I can think of maybe three other people working in the field who have Smith's chops, and the Bone clan, especially their book's big star, are his greatest creation, an expression of perfect cartoon minimalism that finds an equal only in Charlie Brown and Nancy. That puffy white shape is as iconic as the Superman symbol, or will be soon anyway.

The fact that such pure material is sticking into so many kids' heads during their formative years is huge; I wouldn't be surprised if Bone emerges as the cartoon statement of the late 1900s/early 2000s after we start seeing its influence come out of artists who missed life in the last millennium. At the very least, Jeff Smith will end up as the Carl Barks of our times, with an influence that stretches across genres and ends up almost undefinable. Room at that table for a few more? Yeah? Then here's to the future....

Anybody else got some? Let me know!!

12 comments:

by Michael DeForge said...

Just to touch on something you mentioned in the first part of your post re: "Covering"

"That's the reason you draw like someone else, why you choose to outline forms in another artist's shorthand. "

I love it when cartoonists get to fold things from another cartoonist's vocabulary into their own. Gilbert Hernandez and Archie comics is a pretty obvious example. Or how Dash Shaw mentioned that Paulie Panther's design was a riff on Dick Tracy's.

Recent Hellboy comics are interesting to me, the way artists aren't really aping Mignola's style but still drawing in his language (the design of the page, the pacing, the staging, etc.) Duncan Fegredo learning to speak Mignola.

MC Nedelsky said...

Speaking of Hellboy, I think he is likely to become a well-remembered iconic character. The right amount of talent, cult-status, and overall popularity to cement himself in the popular imagination. Like Sandman, he's a character that will be associated with one creator, and so is unlikely to continue indefinitely.

Potentially Scott Pilgrim, though I feel that is a work created for its time, rather than something that will stay with generations to come.

Matt Seneca said...

Yeah, I almost mentioned Hellboy but I figured Sandman covers so much of the same (uh... word?...) let's say "thematic" ground that it would be repetitive. Or more accurately that the future artists I'm talking about will probably be picking whether to draw Hellboy or Sandman to illustrate the same concept. And I think Sandman has just a tiny bit more recognition.

Mignola's art is certainly iconic, though -- as Michael said, his is probably the most "quoted" approach of all in modern comics. It's interesting how that Mignola flavor is so restricted to the Hellboy-verse, though. Offhand, I can't really think of anyone outside of that family of comics who's doing Mignola pastiches or trying to figure him out by working in his style. Maybe it's too unique/identifiable? I don't know. That Weird Tales mini with a bunch of other creators doing Hellboy stories was pretty weird; plenty of dudes drew pictures of Hellboy, but I can't remember one who seemed to be buying into the Mignola approach. But yeah, Hellboy/Mignola-style is definitely another "future immortal".

Don't know about Scott Pilgrim... we'll have to see how the movie does, and more importantly whether it gets the books into more casual readers' hands. The only people I know who read Scott Pilgrim as of now are serious comic-heads and I think it'll have to grow beyond that place to have a serious sphere of influence down the line. Like I said, it'll be interesting to see.

Chris Mautner said...

Of all your picks, I think Bone will be the big one. I know lots of kids who don't read comics but loooooove Bone, or have gotten into comics through Bone. It's much, much more popular than I think a lot of people in the industry suspect and I think we're already seeing Smith's influence on a number of up and coming cartoonists (see the Flight books).

Also: I think for a lot of cartoonists, Hayao Miyazaki is a big influence, though I don't know if I could pick a singular emblematic character of his. Maybe Totoro?

ryan said...

Great post, Matt! I'm a huge fan of LOSE and Michael's work for all the reasons you've touched on (and consider him a good friend). It's only been a short year since Lose #1 came out, but Michael inadvertantly(?) revisited the idea of a contemporary pantheon of characters recently, albeit in a different context.

Check out this logo for The Beguiling he created this month, and see the different cast/canon we've got here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/michaeldeforge/4710798208/

Obviously the purposefulness of including certain characters is way more... deliberate in Lose, but check out this crew here-- notable inclusions are:
- Mark Beyer's Amy
- Cat-Eyed Boy
- Afro from Tokyo Zombie
- A Perry Bible Fellowship dude
- Krauser from DMC
- Pluto from Astro Boy
- El Borbah by Burns
- Sam the cat from Outland
- Enid Coleslaw
- Ganges
- Quimby

I'm not sure I agree with your take on Corrigan's inclusion in the character pantheon though-- I'm 28 and not sure that he has the same iconic telegraphing power for folks my age and younger. Perhaps that's just impression though?

Sandman, Enid, Deadpool and ESPECIALLY Bone are right on the nose though. :)

Matt Seneca said...

@ Chris Mautner -- I agree with you about Miyazaki's iconic status, but I don't know whether any of his characters have as much iconic immediacy as, say, just mentioning "Spirited Away" does. Though at a stretch, yeah, Totoro makes it.

@Ryan -- love that logo. Interesting to see a more alternative/contemporary canon from DeForge. As to Jimmy Corrigan, I'm 20 and he definitely seems to have that "iconicity" for people around my age. Maybe it's a regional thing? Ware's influence seems pretty strong in the LA scene.
I think the a similar thing as I mentioned with Deadpool will happen with Jimmy Corrigan, though -- Ware is so vital to the medium right now that I think people kind of shy away from biting his stuff, but as a group of kids who are reading/learning the stuff right now start making comics, he's going to emerge as a HUGE point of departure. As of now, Corrigan is his most recognizable ideogram (though that could change), so it seemed appropriate to list him. Only time will tell, obviously.

Jog said...

Part of the Mignola effect on the Hellboy-related comics isn't so much influence, I think, as direct oversight - he often 'scripts' via thumbnails, and through that presumably retains a lot of control over pacing, blocking, etc, and even beyond that I'm under the impression he exercises a good deal of editorial control. It is like language, though; he started out doing thumbnails for Fegredo, but later stepped back after he became 'fluent.' It's not universal - he doesn't do that for Guy Davis, I know, and I doubt he does it for Corben, but even then - sometimes you'll see one of those spatially jarring panels with some creature staring out at you from the shadows, like in Corben's most recent issue, and that's pure Mignola, even if Mignola's not dictating it. It's the dialect.

I guess in that way he's the opposite of Gaiman, or maybe an alternative response - it's writing, he's the writer, but his writing is totally inseparable from his visual approach, and so it inevitably follows the script into the hands of other artists...

Matt Seneca said...

Okay, guys, okay -- Hellboy's on the list. And you know, I can see how the Mignola method's staying pretty much confined to the BPRD family of books strengthens that approach's iconicity (and that of its symbol, Hellboy). It really is a very distinct, unique way of making comics, and if it isn't picked up by anyone in the current generation (who's not working on a Hellboy book) it's gonna be crazy when a whole rash of Mignola-influenced artists pop up in five years. That dark/atmospheric pacing, weird page construction stuff is so identified with Mignola now and so likely to be incorporated by future artists that it seems like he could turn out to be almost a Kirby figure, the godfather of a super-popular style that none of his contemporaries really used and didn't make itself known until the kids who grew up with it started doing their own stuff. If he isn't already a Kirby figure.

I've also been thinking a lot about/had someone suggest Harley Quinn, not so much as a super-popular character as an expression of Bruce Timm's influence (like Enid denotes Clowes's). She was going to be on the list but I ended up leaving her out since she hasn't had a book in years and Timm's visible body of work in comics basically consists of a single one-shot. But Mad Love and the Batman Animated book are hugely influential, and the next generation of (American-born) superhero artists are all going to be kids who were watching Batman Adventures before they could even read. I think Timm is like Jeff Smith: a major, unrecognized influence on a lot of young minds that will be making comics soon enough. (That influence just continues and continues, too. Batman TV show kids are just getting to be professional age, but then there'll be waves of kids who came up with Superman, Batman Beyond (represent), Justice League... huh boy, then we get into Glen Murakami's influence... better stop.) Yeah, Bruce Timm. Harley Quinn. Thoughts?

Chris Mautner said...

Actually, Naussica came to mind after I typed my earlier comment. I think she has a lot of staying power with some folks.

FYI, my daughter just finished reading Bone and declared that she was inspired to start her own comic. So there you go.

Re: Harley Quinn. I want to say yes, but I'm not seeing the Timm influence in superhero comics these days as much as I used to 5-10 years ago and I wonder if his influence isn't as lasting. You might want to look at someone like Darwyn Cooke (maybe his version of the Catwoman?) as someone with that sleek, elegant, iconic style that's been influencing up and comers.

Matt Seneca said...

You're probably right about Timm's influence waning in superhero books, but I think it's still going to be a part of the DNA for the next 20 years or so. (Though it does seem to be a part of some emerging alt-cartoonists, the Dash Shaw wave and all the Mome-ers who favor that clean-lined, minimal style with slick spotted blacks. Like Timm with no muscles.)

Darwyn Cooke is a good one but like I said a few days ago, I'm not convinced he isn't just the most obvious example of Timm's influence on current comics. He's definitely doing his own thing but it's so heavily indebted to Timm that I hesitate to separate them.

Elwood said...

While I don't know if Cooke himself is "indebted" to Timm, he certainly seemed to draw from a lot of the same influences, at least at first. But where as Timm took on some more anime-like touches later on, Cooke's taste hinges more toward retro Americana(i.e., New Frontier, the hard boiled detective work of Parker, and some stuff I've seen from him draws from 50's sci-fi stuff and old advertising art).

Of course the Timm/Cooke connection is even stronger when you remember Cooke was working on the later, "new look" seasons of the Batman animated series.

I definitely see the potential for Timm to be very influential for young comic artists (people who're my age or a little younger now). I also get the feeling if some of those types wind up at DC down the line, we'll see a lot of more Harley in the Batman books and John Stewart maybe getting a push, since while to the old guard comic geeks Hal Jordan is "their" Green Lantern, for those who grew up on Justice League/Unlimited, Stewart was their first (I see that being an issue when the GL movie trailer shows up and people wonder why the main character is white).

Harley would be the ideal character to represent that movement, seeing as it's one of the few original characters from the animated universe, and the fact that she found her way into the mainline DCU shows how other media featuring the DC (or Marvel) characters can turn around and influence the source material.

I'd really like to mention someone manga related for this, since I see the manga boom having an impact on say, my younger brother's generation of comic creators, but for the life of me I can't think of a particular character/creator to represent that. I mean I'm well aware that there are plenty of American creators with a clear manga influence, there has been for decades, but most of them are just using stock manga character designs and plots and the digest format rather then take anything significant from the medium.

I don't know. I view Miyazaki as a legend totally worthy of being inspired by, but he's more connected to anime then comics (not that this wouldn't bleed into comics mind you). And most of the manga that breaks big here are the shonen and shojo fair, which while I can see being influential, I can't pick one particular creator to represent that sort of influence. Naruto and it's ilk are popular sure, but do they have what it takes to make someone else want to make comics?

Matt Seneca said...

"Indebted" might have been the wrong word to use. I guess "influenced by" might work better? Even though yeah, he kind of ended up in a different place, Cooke came out of working under Timm on the Batman show, and that Warners house style is definitely a big part of his artwork. Even Batman Beyond, at least in the first season or two, looks very Timm-ish. And if Cooke is really "indebted" to Timm for anything, it's for making the general style of art they both use something that sells to publishers at all. Without Timm's stature in the medium at large, I do NOT see DC taking a chance on Batman Ego in -- what was it, '98 or '99? Timm made comics safe for guys like Cooke again.

I agree about the lack of a single character to define manga's influence. It's really too broad a thing... basically every new cartoonist coming out is influenced by some manga artist or other, but it's everyone from Tezuka to Miyazaki to Tatsumi to Umezu. I think too much manga has made it over here in the past ten years for it to really be thought of as a "genre" that can be defined by one character anymore. What we've got now is a whole nother tradition of comics to draw from. As time goes on we might see certain artists from that tradition whose influences go further than others, but as of now it kind of seems like American comics are running around like crazy trying to figure this big new thing out. Kind of an in-between period.

If I had written this five years ago I probably would have used Goku as the defining shonen manga character, but both Dragonball and shonen in general seem to have peaked in terms of influence. Though who knows, the kids who drove the shonen boom will be drawing comics soon enough. We'll see.

My pick for the current manga artist who'll have the broadest influence on comics history? Yuichi Yokoyama. If anyone here doesn't read his books, you crazy.