Monday, November 29, 2010

Your Monday Panel 39

X-Force #1 (1991), page 11 panel 1. Rob Liefeld.


I dislike bad comics art as much as the next online snob, but I really try to keep it to myself as much as possible. It's one thing when a positive critical consensus springs up around an artist -- like, it's pretty cool that everybody knows how talented Cliff Chiang is now -- but when the knives come out in comics fandom it's not only brutal, it can bar interesting work from ever getting properly appreciated. It was decades before Jack Kirby's post-Fourth World books ever got anything but slagged off, and we're just now getting to a place where the masses don't consider Dark Knight Strikes Again a failure. What am I getting at? Well, above is a Rob Liefeld panel. Look at it. I think it's pretty great, and I'll explain why in a second, but can you even see it straight? Or have the two decades since the comic it was published in sold four million copies so poisoned your eyes to liney, jumbled, hyperkinetic panels like this that something switches off in you the moment you perceive it? It's a struggle for me too.

In case you don't know, comics fans generally hate this stuff. "Rob Liefeld", unfortunately, has become an industry-wide byword for craftless, overly commercial cash-in comics, stuff with more flash than substance -- and, in a tangent I'm not going to get into, for all the shady creator-screwing that seems, poetically, to be a component part of said comics. But Rob Liefeld (along with his Image cronies Jim Lee and Todd McFarlane) had an influence on commercial comics art that's matched only by gods: Milt Caniff and Jack Kirby. Like those two generally-acknowledged masters, Liefeld has bled into the substance of the medium itself, his mannerisms and tendencies as inextricable from the look of the average modern hero comic as Kirby action blocking was in the '70s or Caniff spotted blacks were in the pre-Code era. Like those two, Liefeld's greatest impact on his field didn't come as an artist but as a stylist, an abstract collection of tics that a whole generation followed. What makes Liefeld's art so interesting as compared to that of Lee and McFarlane, who both shared the lininess and anatomic hiccups, is the same thing that keeps him from getting the fan appreciation those two guys get despite their having done much poorer, uglier work than Liefeld was ever guilty of. Lee and McFarlane were both draftsmen to a certain extent. They knew at least some of the rules of perspective, lighting, et cetera. They put some of the real in their work, and it clashed horribly with their crack cocaine/Fila sneakers/Guns 'N' Roses affectations.

But Liefeld was self-taught and snot-nosed, didn't know or care what supposedly essential elements his panels were missing, what supposedly extraneous bits he was adding in, why it shouldn't by rights have worked. And it didn't matter a bit, because work it did -- commercially, to the tune of more issues than had ever been sold before or have since, and aesthetically, as bizarre, confrontational, visionary comics. There's precious, precious little of anything with even a remote connection to reality in this picture: the anatomy is shot to hell, the rules of gravity are awol, the figures and faces betray no connection to the human and only vague relation to the humanoid. But it's all so self-consistent, all so true to the continuum of mind and hand and eye behind it. Liefeld sees muscles where people don't have them, but always in the same places. He imagines hairstyles that boggle the mind, and he uses his trademark wavering, bleedy masses of little lines to sculpt them. He draws facial expressions that only intense plastic surgery could create in our world, but the surgeon is always the same. He creates superhero costumes that edge into abstract ideology, so "functional" that they're no longer functional at all, pure eye-gouging adornment for the deformed demigods that tangle with each other like a sinewy yin-yang across this thick-bordered box. It's a vision of a world further from the humdrum reality that superhero comics are supposed to free us from than anything else the genre has ever given us. Pure, fully formed, perfection unto itself.

This is the level Liefeld functions best on: abstract art. The crosshatching is ridiculous if you insist on it being some kind of representational device, but look at it for what it really is, lines on paper made by a hand that didn't want to stop making them until every centimeter of space was shouting at maximum volume, and you're getting somewhere. There's a joy in the pure marks of Liefeld's line-blizzards, something most every "Image style" adherent since has missed. A sugared up, perpetual-motion glow. It gets into the background of this panel too, where the raw naturalism of the hatchmarks' asymmetry is dropped for a Jim Steranko spread of geometrics: the shape-and-line toolbox of superhero technology spread across the page in minute, functionless detail. There's a significant aspect of the baroque to that background, so laden with stuff that it vies with the figures themselves for attention. Like the hatching, it's purposeless, but it takes the picture further with enthusiasm, sheer steroided muscle, the delight its creator takes in the task of making it and then making more. And through all the glorious indulgence, Liefeld displays enough working knowledge of the action-comics mechanism to pop the characters out of their frame, increasing the bang of the image while ensuring that no matter how busy the background gets we'll see what matters first.

Liefeld's name may never be one that comes up when people talk about "good comics art", but can anyone really define what those words mean? Is it beauty? This panel has the beauty of a vast metropolis seen from a descending airplane, of vintage computer circuitry, of blazing housefires, of everything rioting all at once. Is it functionality? A Liefeld may not move you along through the story like a Toth or Miller does, but every panel hits so hard and nasty that the giddy guilt-free mayhem of superhero comics ends up better served by it than anything considered or elegant. Is it individual expression? Liefeld never bends to the world as it is, whether in reality or even in the comics that came before him. He pulls from inside himself and draws what comes. And for my money, that's what "good comics art" is.

39 comments:

Ryan K Lindsay said...

I'm going to be the asshole to say - that's like praising Greg Land for always referencing the same stroke flicks.

Consistency
I don't think it makes good art - but I do think anything can make good art, so long as you enjoy it. If that's why you enjoy it, big ups, but I still see a bunch of tiny feet, streched faces, and bullshit posturing.

CJ said...

The thing is, I actually enjoy this style quite a bit when I'm in the mood-I love Jim Lee, Whilce Portacio has his moments for sure, and I think Marc Silvestri can be downright amazing with the right inker and colorist-I just think that Rob Liefeld's art doesn't work even in this school of comics illustration. Like, even in that panel you showed, there's no real sense of action being conveyed, the style doesn't do anything for the scene. There's no energy in the panel: The two characters look like they're floating more than engaging in a midair kickfight. Some people dismiss that entire style of art. I don't. But I still don't like Rob Liefeld.

Anonymous said...

I guess I understand your argument, and I love how you laid it out. Your descriptors are beautiful, and fitting.
But my issue is that, in saying that Liefeld embodies comic art, I think you're missing the whole point of comics.
The foundational aspect of comic book art is that the images serve the story being told. When you first read Hellboy, you are struck by the beauty of the darkness portrayed therein, the perfect black-and-red-and-more black simplicity of Mingnola's work. It's like pairing a screenwriter with a director; You need the words on the page and the images on screen to compliment and enhance each other. I think it's silly to constantly shit on Liefeld like he singlehandedly destroyed comics forever, but I don't want to give him credit for something he didn't do either.
He didn't serve comic art; He didn't help tell the story.

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J.R. LeMar said...

I was an early "Image Kid" who bought everything (& I mean EVERYTHING) that company put out back in the day, including all of Rob's comics. Looking with a more critical eye know, I can see all of the various flaws that I didn't notice back then. But, y'know what? I don't care. I still like his work, and think he's been unfairly targeted by many fans over the years. If you don't like his art, then fine, move along. There's plenty of other artists out there that you can follow.

If anything, I'd say that the only legitimate criticism of him is his lateness and lack of completion of various projects over the years (I'm still waiting for Bloodsport #2, dammit). That's something he really should work on. But then, that's should only be a concern to his actual fans. I don't know why the critics hit for that so much. If you don't like his work, they why would you care if he doesn't finish something?

Plus, I can personally that I've interacted with him online many times over the years, and he's always been cool with me. There are many superior artists out there who could learn a thing or two from Rob about how to treat their fans (*cough*John Byrne*cough*). So there's that.

Brian Wagner said...

Any other day I might be more inclined to agree with you, but I was rereading DKSA today, and I think it makes for a good contrast here.

I see Liefeld's consistency as the problem. It may give him a strong voice, but that's about it. The consistency says, "Yes, this looks right" when really all those muscles just look ridiculous.

In DKSA, Miller knows all the rules and he knows when to break them for added effect. There's plenty of disproportionate hands and feet but they never feel out of place; they only add to the image.

Miller is a deft composer adding a dissonant chord or the out-of-key sharp or flat that still sounds right while Liefeld just sounds out of tune.

But thank you for this article. I always love things that make me think of what makes good comic art, especially when I used to buy so many Liefeld comics.

J.R. LeMar said...

PS Excuse the grammatical errors in my previous post. I just got home from a 12 hour shift. @ work. ^_^

John Byrne said...

All Rob knows how to do is latch onto other folks who will get his material out to the masses. His biggest appeal was the same nonsense that made Jim Shooter so popular in the 70s - his connection to the readers "my gosh, that could be me..." Micro brains, the lot of them. Rob is "comics done wrong" and his popularity is a major factor that lead to the death of comics as we knew and loved them pre-90s. 4 Million copies of X-Force is impressive, though, but given there were several different trading cards, covers, etc - how many were sold to speculators versus readers? How much of the success of that 4 Million sales number should be attributed to the unknown marketing genius at Marvel and not Rob Liefeld? On to the panel: why are the blue/white character's feet different sizes? Why are the orange character's arms completely different lengths? -- oh, wait, my head just exploded...

Matt Seneca said...

Just wanna respond to something Anonymous up there said -- yeah, good comics art often moves the story along but that's not a prerequisite in my book. You ever look at a Jim Steranko comic? His image-image sequences have way more impact heavy disconnect than anything Liefeld did. Even Kirby's stuff makes no sense as picture progressions if you don't have the words moving it along. I think pictures that serve the story is a pretty limited definition of "what comics do". There's a lot of beautiful comics art that doesn't contain any story at all, and I get as much out of reading a beautifully drawn book that can't keep the plot as I do a beautifully sequenced book with less flair in the drawings themselves. When you get both it's great, but I still love one or the other. For me "what comics do" is simply present more than one image in sequence. Sometimes there's a story. Sometimes not. Sometimes the pictures work together, sometimes they work on their own. But if what's there is arresting or entertaining or challenging or beautiful, it's worth my time.

@John Byrne if that's really you dude your shit on X-Men rocked my world but c'mon, don't hate. You and Liefeld can both be awesome. There's room.

And @everybody the whole "consistency" thing isn't THE reason I love Liefeld, just one of them. People hit him with that "can't draw" criticism a lot but if he really had no idea what he was doing there would be way more variation in his work. He knew. He did it on purpose. Like it or don't. I do.

Zom said...

Liefeld’s art might not serve storytelling particularly well, but I’ve always felt that there is a strong unity between the visual aspect of 90s Image comics - particularly Liefeld drawn 90s Image comics - and the text, regardless. The art is barely art in the way that the stories are barely stories, both are sketchy, priapic, ridiculous, hyper-masculine, both venerate violence and are given to astonishing histrionic excess, neither understand nor are they concerned by nuance. Pick up almost any Liefeld pencilled book from the era and it’s difficult to know where the muscles-on-muscles-on-knives, claws, chains and guns end and the plot begins. It’s not storytelling, no, what it is is an energetic synthesis that I can’t help but admire and get caught up in even if I don’t quite enjoy it.

Remember Morrison’s Bat-Bane, the alpha in the stinking locker room killing hookers? That’s what 90s Image felt like cover to cover. For me, that’s Liefeld all over. It might not be comics judged to some tedious standard of art vs plot, but it sure as hell is something impressive, like it or not.

The Beast Must Die said...

I always found Liefield's work extremely hard to read. Literally hard to follow. Bisley suffers similar problems. I have no beef with abstration in comic art, but when it's counter to storytelling it beceomes a headache for me. Kirby, no matter how gonzo or primal he gets, is always readable. His stories flow like melted butter.

J.R. LeMar said...

No, that's not the real John Byrne up there. Byrne's made it perfectly clear that he never posts anywhere online other than on his own message board.

Guido Rosas said...

Fascinating article Matt. It might not make me run to the quarter bins to track down old Liefeld work, but I'll definitely see it in a different light when I stumble upon it.

Reading Liefeld's art as abstract reminded me of the work of Aaron Noble. I don't know if you've seen it, but he basically uses Image-style tics to create abstract murals. Here's a link to his website:

http://www.aaronnoble.net/Aaron_Noble/home.html

However, after reading your article, I think reading the original art as abstract is even more interesting.

Nick Marino said...

THX MATT!!! This is an eloquent expression of a sentiment I've been spouting for years. Liefeld's energy and tone is fantastic regardless of any "realistic" forms. I regard him first and foremost as a cartoonist... does anyone ever ride Charles Schultz for his lack of anatomy? NO! Does any say "Gary Larson's funny and all but I just can't enjoy the Farside because the art isn't realistic enough." NO! So why does Rob's art get so much flack? I don't get it.

Anonymous said...

Rob Liefeld had what a lot of the founding Image artists had, which was visual flair.

Inconsistent, yes.

Anatomically incorrect, certainly.

Unrealistic, absolutely (but what percentage of comic artists are realistic?).

Liefeld's definitely not as great as Jim Lee or Marc Silvestri, but he had that dynamic quality that made his style pop off the page much like Jack Kirby's did. He may not ever have been the best artist in the business, but he obviously sold a lot of books at one point(and I'm not just counting the ones with variant cards), so despite all the criticisms and controversy, he at least mattered when it came to comics in the 90's, and whether you liked him or not, he has his fans.

Anonymous said...

Great stuff. Liefeld has a huge amount of flaws, but he could usually spot a great image. His covers are generally solid and exciting. He's layouts are good. If he'd learned the technical rules so he knew what rules he was breaking, he could have been another Kirby. And as much as people bash him, come on--anyone can learn rules. Style has to come from inside.

Anonymous said...

You're an idiot!!!

Bill Reed said...

Your logic does not resemble our Earth logic, but what a beautiful piece of writing. You almost convinced me!

I think the real problem occurs when you put two consecutive panels of his alongside one another. The sequential part of the art flies out the window.

Deco said...

this line: "A sugared up, perpetual-motion glow"

nice.

Was never a huge Liefeld fan, but I'm not and never was surprised at his success. His stuff is just pure excitement on paper. Hating on it is like hating on chocolate for not being nutritious -- well duh, that's not its point. Is he a good drawer? Probably not, if drawing is being able to reproduce or capture some semblance of reality. Is he a good artist? If art is the ability to impart emotional impact in an engaging manner? No question.

But hey, it's so much fun to rag on something, especially if everybody else is doing it too.

Matt Seneca said...

@the 4th Anonymous: And you're an asshole!

@the 2nd Anonymous: I think Liefeld is WAAAY better than Lee or Silvestri. Both those guys' attempts to mix the realistic with the Image style just looks so bad -- it's an either/or to me. There's a very bizarre, wish-fulfillment-y fusion between the real and the ideal in Lee's work especially that I don't think works at all, it's like anti-cartooning, amping up the realist detail while losing all the structure. I feel like a creep just looking at that guy's drawings, especially when they're of women. Silvestri has his moments, but he still has a lot of the same problems. Liefeld, though -- it's all abstract ideas about form and color and line mixing with pure imagination. That's how I feel, anyway. But if this article is here for anything, it's to say like what you like and be proud as hell about it!

@Bill Reed: yeah, that's what I was trying to address earlier: his lack of sequential "focus" or whatever you want to call it is definitely jarring, but I don't think "storytelling" as it's typically conceptualized in action comics is a prerequisite for quality. Liefeld's ADD, disconnected image-image banging works great with his style, with the kind of stories he usually draws, and it's got a definite lineage: Steranko was just as asequential in a lot of his very best work, and guys like Mat Brinkman or Ben Jones use the same kind of illogical cutting to great effect in their work. Even the new Charles Burns book had some really Liefeld-y transitions that I was digging on. I dunno, if a picture follows another picture, it's "sequential" enough for me.

@Guido Rosas: damn, that Aaron Noble stuff is INCREDIBLE...

Anonymous said...

Okay, now you've lost me. I can understand someone liking Rob Liefeld, but I really don't understand how anyone can not only like him more than Jim Lee and Marc Silvestri, but totally hate on Lee and Silvestri.

I'm not really a Liefeld fan, but Lee and Silvestri are two of my favorite artists.

Matt Seneca said...

That's cool, man! Like I said, nobody should be legislating what you enjoy, especially not some jerk on the internet.

Not tryin' to be a hater, just explain why I do, in fact, dig Liefeld while the other Image boys leave me cold....

Jon Burr said...

I am by no means a Liefeld guy, but this is one of the best pieces on comics I've yet read on the 'wubs. Simply awesome. I have to admit, you nailed me with the bit about judging the piece before even really looking at it. I saw Liefeld and went "ugh" before even stopping to enjoy the bizarre flair hidden within. Good show!

Cormacaroni said...

I lied when I said I'd never read Liefeld, Matt - I have read some issues he did with Alan Moore. I will read almost anything by Moore but I really struggled I'm afraid.

One panel might be a refreshing palate cleanser, like snail porridge etc but a whole comic of it? Bleuurrrghh. Just a list of the character names are enough to put me off actually reading one.

That said, we all have our guilty pleasures, and I've certainly enjoyed crappier stuff than X-Force #1. And you should have seen Lazarr, the character I submitted for a Marvel UK character design comp when I was 9. I can't hate on anybody who wants to draw really cool superheroes so bad it hurts!

The Aaron Noble stuff was really cool, btw, thanks for posting that.

Brian Wagner said...

Matt, to your comment "But if this article is here for anything, it's to say like what you like and be proud as hell about it!" I think the important thing you've done here is that you've not only said what you like but you've given great justification why you like Liefeld's work and why you dislike the other early Image guys' work that seem to be a similar style. Discussing art like this is not easy to do any time (especially for me) and here you've done it with the same eloquence you do in any "Your Monday Panel" column. And it's because of this justification that I completely respect your opinion even though I disagree.

Again this is a great, thought-provoking piece that's kept me thinking 2 days after I first read it.

Sean R said...

This article really made me want to go out and find a copy of X-Force to read!

(before today I would have thought myself incapable of such a sentiment... a very persuasive piece).

brandon said...

The dislike of Liefeld probably has a lot to do with the whole anxiety of influence-type stuff us comics nerds who discovered comics in the early 90s are still wrestling with.

Liefeld is distinctive and consistent and save for his laziness and shortcuts (which really further puts him in line with some of the 60s and 70s legend), that isn't an easy thing to do. Probably not helping Liefield's case (or Matt's point) here, but I think of it as like, say, Tyler Perry films (I'm a huge Perry fan fwiw) which are dismissed by so many, but so clearly the work of an auteur. Liefeld is an auteur.

Whenever this debate comes up, I think of my idea for a parody of that Liefeld's worst drawing things, where I grab classic Kirby panels and cynically crap on them: ANOTHER BLOCKY FAT-FINGERED GOD. BORING. You smell me??

Nate said...

First, thanks for focusing on the art side of things. It makes me think about things I wouldn't otherwise, like why I prefer early Silvestri to anything done by Liefeld or big Jim Lee. Silvestri's figure work was like an attenuated John Buscema, not self conscious or over mannered, and even a little sexy. And he knew how to tell a story. Speaking of which...
I wonder if you you're not overstating things a bit when you write:
"Even Kirby's stuff makes no sense as picture progressions if you don't have the words moving it along."
This really can't be said for early Kirby, which makes plenty of sense with or without words. And even the 70's Kirby makes sense more often than not.
As to Steranko, I often take his visual pyrotechnics as a conscious, if not always successful, effort at pushing the limits of comic storytelling. Liefeld's "jerk shots" seem more motivated by an adolescent aesthetic sensibility. There's nothing wrong with celebrating it for what it is, but it's not analogous to Steranko.
Finally, and sorry about the long comment, but what bores me about Liefeld is that everything is turned up to 11 except when he gets lazy. So you get page after page of overdrawn and under thought action followed by an occasional bunch of half drawn figures against an all white (or hastily hatched) background. It's like the opposite of war. Hours of terror followed by moments of monotony.
Anyway, sorry to hijack, but you brought it on yourself with the thought provoking post.

Matt Seneca said...

@Brandon yeah, I actually think that post exists. Not the 40 Worst Kirbys but I seem to recall reading some kind of fairly in-depth Liefeld/Kirby comparison. I was hesitant to make one myself (even though the similarities are so obvious) cause a. Kirby developed his shorthand so much further than Liefeld ever did, and b. then everyone would totally miss the point of the article and it would become even more of a Liefeld hate-in than it already is. CLV!

@Nate early Silvestri has its upsides. I might not be accurate with this but it seems like he came into comics a little earlier than the other three guys? His mid-80s stuff definitely seems to belong to the Buscema/Kaluta/Wrightson era rather than the Art Adams/McFarlane side of things. Which changed, of course, until now I can't even look at his stuff, but there was definitely some good stuff there for a while. I actually think Silvestri's biggest sin wasn't switching up his drawing but his blocking: he had a nice little Marvel-action storytelling style and then he went all "Image" with it, which only Liefeld could pull off at all.

When I say "Kirby" I mean the Kirby everyone's seen, the '62-'75 Marvel and DC stuff, which was really only held together by the balloons a lot of the time. He definitely knew how to do Eisner-style storytelling, but it's always weird to me that he gets held up as a paragon of the kind of boring, literal sequencing that's the only thing the fanboys can follow, cause he was really doing something else entirely on his best work.

Dude, I think you're just reading stuff into Liefeld that you aren't to Steranko. Nobody's a bigger Steranko fan than me, but look at all his famous sequences: ARGH, explosive hard-to-follow fight scene! DAMN, that's a sexy girl! WHOA, drug sequence, fuckin trippy dude! You know what's motivated by an adolescent aesthetic sensibility? Superhero comics. Liefeld and Steranko are TOTALLY analagous, because they both mined that to its fullest. The levels of self-consciousness behind it are just apocrypha.

I know what you mean about the lazy panels, but in monthly comics so does everybody. Kirby, Steranko... they all pumped out some slapjob frames to hit the deadlines. It's part of the game. It doesn't ruin Liefeld for me anymore than it ruins Kirby.

Nate said...

Steranko's product suggests more thought went into it than Liefeld's did. Whether his intent was to push the form or not, he did. You'd be hard pressed to find innovation in a Liefeld comic. The same is not true for Steranko.
As to "it's all adolescent," that might be true of superhero comics, but there's no denying that some grwon-up aesthetic sensibilities can, and have been brought to them. Steranko brought pop art, Sienkiewicz brought an illustrator's sensibility, etc. To cite the genre as responsible for Liefeld's deficits strikes me as special pleading. Speaking of which...
Yes, the monthly grind can result in a bad panel, or issue, or year. But Kirby drew how many pages, every month, for how many years? Liefeld never managed a monthly schedule. Given the lateness and half completed projects, I don't think we can attribute his lapses to the monthly grind.

Matt Seneca said...

Well yeah, and that's why Steranko is better than Liefeld. I just think guessing at the motivation behind an artist's aesthetic is usually pretty futile. It is what it is. I'm not comparing Liefeld's monthly output to Kirby's, just making a point: regardless of whether or not he hit the schedule, one was in place, and that can necessitate rushed work. Again, I think looking at a comic and declaring the part of it you don't like came about because of the artist's laziness is a bit questionable.

Nate said...

I agree, it's futile to attribute intention to the artist. I realize my use of the word "motivated" and "conscious" suggest that I'm doing as much, but it's a result of loose thinking and sloppy phrasing.
That said, a hard look at Liefeld, Kirby, or Steranko's work suggests that all had their lazy moments. This is evident in the drawing. There's no need to read anybody's mind.
And to be clear, I'm not big on Liefeld's work as a whole. I pointed out the dashed off panels to underscore what I see as the chief failure of Liefeld's work. Namely, that it generally lacks variation. With the exception of those lapses, lapses you seem to acknowledge as such, it's all "blazing house fires" all the time. Of course, what I perceive as a failure you see as an asset, and we can surely chalk that up to taste.
Keep fighting the good fight!

Anonymous said...

Liefeld's work has long struck me as having been by someone who was really enamored of bad video game box art from the late 80's. So enamored that he was determined to find a way to combine that, the visual energy of the games themselves, and his love of super-hero comics into one artistic statement.

Where his contemporaries have shown some desire to improve their storytelling and draftsman skills, Liefeld strikes me as still really just wanting to convey how cool it was to play Bionic Commando or Contra in between readings of New Teen Titans. It's part of what made him really gel for audiences of his heyday.

David Weman said...

Liefield art is always fantastically ugly, and I think there's a terrible drabness to his work.

Mars Attacks said...

Fun article, Matt, and appreciated.

The truth is, Liefeld is not a good artist but he's a great comic book artist. If somebody wants to study anatomy, drop that copy of X-Force right now! If you want to feel a superhero rush, then pick it up again. Nobody does a fight scene like Liefeld.

McFarlane (also, not a great artist) is good at this, too. Lee is good for static, "paused" splash panels that look great and don't have any sense of action at all.

Anonymous said...

I think, rob liefield, todd mcfarlane, and jim lee are the greatest "comic book" artists of all time period hands down, there comic sales prove that point.
jhon byrn and all of these other wanna be comic snob anatomy police do not compare in the field of exiting comic book art. These guys create exiting unbelevable beautiful work, that opens up our imagination and gets the heart pumping when you flip the pages. Who cares about perfect anatomy, perfect anatomy is boring, and not exiting, I want to see amazing looking guys flipping around and doing amazing things, thats what makes comic books so different than any other medium. These guys are a credit to comics and changed it for the better and makes all those other comic artits look bland and boring wich is why they critisize there work.

Anonymous said...

I want to see the unbelevable, I want to see extra human super heroes doing extra human things with unbelevable anatomy and faces but yet look so awsome, I dont want boring perfect "antomy man" standing in boring perfect anatomy poses making me go to sleep. Art is subjective if you dont like it dont read, but dont bash on guys who can draw things you cant even dream of whos immagination have inspired and entertained so many people. Good ridance to the old way of boring comics. I do see where a foot here or a ankle there could have been fixed to make it work with the picture, but that is my only critique, these guys are way more talented than any school taught bye the numbers comic artist and are able to bend reality and make it work.

Thats what I want to see and I wish there were alot more artits that could draw as well as lee, mcfarlane, and leifeld, and use there imagination so effectivley.
The rest of the comic artits will never compare.

Katja said...

Yeah. Liefeld is Picasso. We're sorry we didn't see it before.

/sarcasm

Jeff Read said...

No, sorry, have to disagree on the consistency thing.

Anyone can draw a muscular character and get the anatomy wrong. But it takes a Liefeld to not only get the leg muscles wrong, but draw a different wrong muscle anatomy on each leg.

Captcha: "rebadest". How Liefeldian.